they say every election is a crucial election. i'm not of that -- i think that's -- yes, it's crucial but clearly in four years, obviously a lot can't get done in four years anyway so even if worse came to worse and we had this guy for four years, would any of the things he said he would do actually happen? i doubt it. i doubt it would be that easily affected. i think you do need two terms as a president. i think obama has to have two terms to prove what he can do. >> i always think about that, that four years is probably never enough for anybody to do very much as president. if you come in, the first thing you do is get a whole new staff, you get a whole new thing going, you start to try and bring in policies and then just at the moment some of them are coming to fruition you're either in again or you're out. eight years seems to me, unless the president, the incumbent is so useless that he has to go, really, you need that length of time. >> i agree. like we were saying backstage, if it wasn't for the 22nd amendment, is it, that